let me finish tonight with this. i think the republican party got the message. not all republicans, but a decent number of them. they ran a kennedy who didn't believe in what he was saying. people don't want to agree with the middle of this country. people would rather be right, even far right,than having a hand in picking a president. someone in that party has to come along and offer themselves as a true center right kennedy. someone who's solid on fiscal matters, strong on defense, but plays down their social issues. someone with charisma. i'm talking about a ronald reagan for the 21st century.

unlikely to find such a candidate. but unless they do, they're stuck in second place, nationally. they can't beat hillary clinton, that's for sure. not with the rogue elements they've got joining their huddle. not with the candidate that only reads the words well enough to get the nomination. but not well enough, did you notice to be picked as a president? that's "hardball." thanks for being with us. "politics nation" with al sharpton starts right now. >> thanks, chris. and thanks to you for tuning in. tonight's lead, for repeat's sake. did you hear the big news? the gop wants a republican renewal. get to the route of their grand problem. so let's see what they're offering. what's the take from their hero, paul ryan? i decided to not comment between the election and the inauguration. all of the statements and all of

the comments needed me to believe that he's thinking more of a political conquest than a political compromise. >> pity party. table for one, please. the gop is stuck on this one. the president obamas trying to destroy the gop. trying to shove them into the dust pan of history. here's a hint. president obama doesn't need to do that. republicans are doing it just fine all by themselves. for all their bluster about change, gop leaders insist on no overall at all is needed. one gop official everyone says "we don't need a new pair of shoes, we just need to shine our shoes. shine their shoes? that's not goods enough. republicans need to try walking in someone else's shoes for a change. because for all of their talk about out reach to women, the

rnc just approved a resolution. calling on congress to defunct planned parenthood with no objections. and while support for women's rights to choose is at an all-time high. here's what speaker boehner says is his fundamental goal. >> with all the mistakes, it's becoming more and more important for us to share the truth with our young people and encourage them to lock arms, speak out for life and help make abortion a relic of the past. let that be one of our most fundamental goals this year. >> meet the new gop. it's just like the old one. wrong way ryan is still trying to make mass i haive cuts to th safety net. but don't call him out on it. >> the president will bait us. he will portray us a cool and unyielding. just the other day, he said that republicans are suspicious about social security. he said that we have suspicions

about feeding hungry children, that we have suspicions about caring for the elderly. we won't play the villain in his morality plays. >> won't play the villain? the gop has been typecast for their role by their own policies, attacking social security, going after food stamps. if this is the gop idea of change, then they can keep it. joining me now is ed rendell and michael steele. mie kal michael, let me start with you. >> hey, rev. >> for all the talk of republican renewal, i'm not seeing much substantive change from the gop. are you? >> no, i'm not. and i can't take issue with much of your leader in there because, you know, framing the argument begins with galvanizing the base around some core ideas and principles that you are going to use as the foundation for policy announcements and direction for the country.

to be quite frank about it, i have not seen that occur. i mean, you see right now, reverend, on the issue of immigration, we've kind of put the cart in front of the horse. we've got the leadership saying one thing and the basis undermining that message by saying, welt, say i ing, well, we don't know what that means. so, you know, i think that the general direction the party needs to take is the first step back. and then it's come out with some broad principles narrowly defined as you go along to tell you what the needs of a particular community are. i just don't see that happening yet. >> let me ask you this u michael. republicans won 63 seats under your championship in the midterm elections. in 2010. but last year, they lost eight seats. what went wrong. what was the difference between what happened urnds your leadership and under mr.

preibus? >> i think a couple things. one, there was no coherent message. you cannot in any given day, week or hour discern what the gop was going to fight for and what they would do once given the opportunity to win the white house or to expand in the senate. number 2, in terms of reemping those core voters, there was no real strategy or ground game. they had this beached whale program called orca. all of that was mitt romney's program. but the rnc, well before you got into a presidential nominee should have had its ground game in order reaching those many voters and galvanizing around that message. it was very clear what we were going to do in 2009 and 2010. our objective was to engage in health care and engage on big issues. you may have disagreed on what you were saying. you and i have had those battles. >> you don't seem to impress mr. priebus with your successor that took the mantle of such a great

vikt ri a victory and turned it upside down. >> i'm very disapointed. but i'm enlightened -- >> you're very disappoint in your successor? i want to be clear i'm not misquoting you? >> no, the fact of the matter is to hear them talk about a 50-state strategy, my question is you're talking about the strategy that dwe we employed i 2009 and 2010 or something for the different 50 states. we cannot remake failure. it is what it is. and what we've seen over the last two years is unmitigated failure. >> well, governor rendell, you heard michael steele say he was very disappointed in his successor. i think he said the tip of the iceberg. and you were shaking your head if i was in church, i would have thought you would have said amen. >> well, rev, i'm stunned. i can't disagree with anything that michael said. you know, the problem with

republicans right now is they believe all they have to do is burnish the message. all they have to do is make the message more effective. they're dead wrong. it's not the message. it's the underlying policy. they're a party that's totally adrift. within seven days after the presidential election, the ohio legislature, with governor casey's election, it's an amendment that's voted down in the conservative state of mississippi. you've got republicans unwilling to stand up and say i'm for a hundred percent of background checks for all gun sales. even though that's what the american people desperately want. you have reince priebus saying we're going to change the way we count electoral votes. that looks evil. they don't need to change the message. they need to change the basic policy and direction of their party. and they just don't get it. and just as a loyal democrat, i'm glad michael isn't around.

michael wouldn't stand for this. michael would be steering them in a very positive direction instead of this negivism. we can't win the general election to change the rules by changing the way electoral votes are counted, but only in the blue states. >> michael, do you think the way they are behaving now and the way they've laid out this plan under president chairman preibus, do you think they can win in the midterm election or in '16 if they stay the course the way they've laid it out now. >> i think it's difficult, reverend, when you look at the fact that they picked up these 63 seats, democrats had a 65 majority. everyone when you figure that, you know, redistricting was in the favor of republicans coming into this cycle. we still lose eight seats. now the democrats need 17 seats. there's a reason why barack obama has transitioned his political operation into this non-profit messaging operation to reinforce the direction he wants to go with the country at

the grassroots level to target those seats. i don't see how and where the republican party beyond, you know, calling a committee meeting here and there has been on the ground in neighborhoods doing the very difficult, out-of-the-box work relating to voters. and so unless they do that, unless they message is really honed and fine-tuned, it's going to be very difficult to hold on as the president's momentum grows. we'll see what happens in response to the state of the union. we'll see what happens in response to immigration and other issues. but, right now, to your point, i think we've got a lot of work to do and it starts with making sure that you have your base behind the steps you want to take. you just can't go out and say, oh, obama is a bad guy, follow us. >> now, governor, talking about base behind, political says the rnc meeting focused on broadening the appeal to minority voters. and i'm quoting the article.

party big whigs discussed strategic partners with blacks, asians, hispanics and women. there was talk about developing a comfort factor so that minorities feel they are part of the process. but there's no substantive way that i saw that it was being proposed or less-known or agreed upon that they were going to make a substantive difference that would make people feel in those communities asians, latinos or african american discomfort factor, unless they think just talking different is going to make us comfortable. but you're saying the same thing. >> you're absolutely right. just take two examples. number one, on guns. minority voters, minority citizens feel the pain and gun violence feel the pain more than anybody. they want something done. if the republicans stand up, they can forget about african

american voters and forget about most latino voters. number 2, on elections, this idea that we were going to change the way we can electoral votes so that urban areas don't have too much power. well, who lives in urban areas? african americans and latinos. that message is absolutely crystal career. th they're not dumb. they get it. they hear it. they're on a destructive course. it makes absolutely no sense. i can't figure out -- all i can say is amen. >> hey, rev, on that last part, i think it's critical. if you're trying to reach out to voters, which is a term i hate, by the way, this is not about relationships. this is about reaching out. i don't want to have a cocktail party and some finger food, if they perceive your message to be racist, to be exclusionary and to be disenfranchising their ability to participate in the system such as the voting issue, then stop that message.

and if voters vote to change the electoral college, you're putting yourself at a disadvantage with those voters. >> lose latinos in record numbers and watch how fast they're willing to compromise. and could anyone have called this four years ago? president obama, secretary clinton. we'll go behind the interview everybody's talking about. plus, the president does something we've never thought possible. turns rush and fox newsers into media experts. big show coming up. keep it right here.

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after years of failure, the gop failure and gridlock, immigration reform has abruptly become a bipartisan idea. today, a group of democratic and republican senators announced their proposal to create a path to citizenship for america's undocumented citizens. it's a eureka moment. >> we are deelting with 11 million human beings who are here and documented the vast majority of whom have come here in pursuit of what all of us have recognized as the american dream. that's what we endeavor to move fortward here on. we can't let people decide in the shadows?

they said they should achieve the american dream? sounds great. maybe it was the fact the next day republicans had their clocks cleaned in the november election. they lost latino voters by a whopping 44%. 44 points. and it's a trend that's been getting wours. since 2004, latino supports for republicans have gone in the wrong drirection down 13%. republicans now so desperate to win back 13 voters and they may end up doing the right thing, whatever the reason. if it's real reform, it ee's welcomed news. joining me now is maria theresa. thanks for being here tonight. >> maria, it's quite a change of party of self deportation and build the fence, right?

>> i actually applaud the republican party because they realize once you cast a vote, every vote is equalized. and the vote in this case was the american latino saying we need to change the tone of immigration and questiwe need t comprehensive immigration reform. they're seeing members of congress and i actually applaud the latino voter and the republican party is paying attention. >> now, let's look at the proposal. when we look at what the senate immigration group, bipartisan group plan calls for, tougher border security. requires registration with the government. once those are in place, wants those in place now. then other parts will kick in. we're in the country now. all for new rules of children of immigrants and proposals new rules for agriculture of high-tech workers. do you think this is a good

plan? does it go far enough? >> i have to say i think everybody in the community is shocked and pleads it includes a pathway to citizen ship. i think that we can all agree that border security is an upper one priority? the president has actually led all presidents when it comes to border security. it's actually been under his watch as he increased the mass deportation. it's not for lack of want on the government side. it's a matter of recognizing how hard it is. we have to recognize that we have to have a way to ensure that people are 11 milt million undocuments come out safely while securing our border. they're two different siepdes o the equation. we can't do one without the other. >> hire's a detail that could get devilish. when you look at it, it says that the plan calls for a commission. to oversee that border security suggesting, and i'm kwoeting from t quoting from the plan, a

commission comprised of generals and leadsing along the southwest board ir to monitor the progress of securing our border. now, the keyboard eer states, arizona, new mexico and texas, all have republican governors. do we really want jan and rick perry with veto power over border security? >> i think you hit the nail on the head as you have such heavily republicans leaning in these states that are not necessarily unfriendly to immigrants. i think the bigger problem is also how we're not -- we're being disingenuous by recognizing that right now, immigration from the border is zero. and it has a large part to do because of the dip in the economy. notice how there is no border patrol or this commission does

not include the canadian border. we do know that there is undocumented folks crossing there and we have other things that we don't want necessarily coming through our border. >> they specifically say southwest, which sounds a little profiling to me:. let me ask you this quickly. the president makes his big immigration speech tomorrow in las vegas. do you think that the bipartisan group came out today trying to get ahead of the president's big speech tomorrow? >> they absolutely did. the republicans don't want to feel like they've been left behind. so what they did, that was why it ee's interesting and importa that they included a co comprehensive immigration reform. for a long time, that was not even on the table. i think not only are they trying to preempt the president, but they're trying to show that they're taking that leadership and that initiative. now, what will be in mind when you look at the president speak

tomorrow is how far to the left will he go from this proposal. >> that's my question. this could be a big step by the president tomorrow that shifts the argument a total dimpblt way. >> exactly right. and so the republicans, i think, are leaving themselves a sort of little wiggle room once he announces what his initiatives are. >> all right, maria, thanks for being here tonight. >> coming up, from power rivals to power duo. the evolution of the obama-clinton relationship and see ya later, sarah. palin is out at fox news. what it says about the tea party movement ahead. stay with us. [ male announcer ] you are a business pro.

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republicans always accuse democrats of stealing elections. it's the right wing's favorite boogie man. they say democrats are just

constantly committing voter fraud. remember those billboards listing the penalty for voter fraud. a wealthy right wing donor put them off last fall in ohio and wisconsin to scare voters away from the polls? we're still hearing about voter fraud. what do you know, it's coming, yet again, from republicans. a las va gas casino worker, nevada rock san ruben pled guilty to voter fraud twice. so why vote at two different polling stations? she was trying to prove how easy it is to commit voter fraud. i guess her arrest means things didn't work out so well. nevada secretary of state says if ms. rubin is trying to demonstrate how easy it is to commit voter fraud, she clearly

failed and proved just the opposite. hey, republicans, what happens in ve gurks as doesn't stay in vegas. the right-wing voter fraud is a complete bust. it's not even a nice try. but we still got you. blank blaeng rjs what pa

difference four years makes. barack obama and hillary clinton were bitter rivals in the 2008 campaign. who would have predicted they've become allies. but after appointing clinton's secretary of state, there was a surprising twist to this story. they genuinely seemed to like each other. the evolution from power rivals to power duo was on full display last night in a first-ever joint interview with 60 minutes. >> despite our hard-fought primary, we had such agreement o on what needed to be done for our country. >> it made for tough debates, by

the way, because we could never figure out what we were different on. >> yeah, we worked at that pretty hard. >> what did he promise you? >> it was going to be hard. welcome to hard times. >> they definitely seem to get along great. what may have started out as a marriage of political convenience appears to be something warmer and more genuine. let's bring in nia maliqua henderson and michelle cottle. nia, it was really fascinating to watch. what was your take away? >> i remember covering this campaign in 2008. if you wanted a bad story ablt hillary clinton, you can go to the obama staffers. it was such a bitter rivalry. seeing them there was very much seeing this political power duo on stage. the chemistry there, i thought, was real and genuine and they almost could finish each other's

sentences at points. very much, i thif, a great swan song for hillary clinton's four years, a great kickoff for her if she is thinking about 2016. she is gone from saying no way. she's ruled it out to, last night, not really answering a question saying essentially that she can't predict the future. in the meantime, over these next four years, we'll be watching to see what she does. and certainly, joe biden will, as well. >> well, before we go there, michelle, it was the president's idea to do this. listen to his explaining to why he wanted to do this. >> this is very improbable. i understand, mr. president, this was your idea. why didn't you want to do this together, a joint interview. >> well, the main thing is i just wanted to have a chance to pubically publically say thank you. it has been a great collaboration over the last four years. >> there's no political tea

leaves to be read here? >> we don't have any tea. we've got some water here, the best i can tell. this has been the most extraordinary honor. >> michelle, do you feel the president is just wanting to thank her and wanting to put it out because he's got all of this other speculation going on? what do you think? >> i don't think politicians at this level will do anything just because. there's no question that this relationship has been really good for both of them. and obama is often criticized fsh n for not knowing how to play the scmooze game. this is a good example of when he wants to, he's really shrewd. you can't build up the four years they've had and not draw closer together when you've been in that fox hole. but at the same time, this is good politics for both of them going forward. >> now unia malika, you

mentioned staffs of one giving bad information on the other. they kind of brought up that it took longer for their staffs an their spouses to move beyond the campaign rivalry, listen to this. >> we both built some pretty thick skins. sometimes our staffs don't go through that. so they are taking umbrage in offense and they're reading every blog and every tweet. and most of the time, you know, hillary, i suspect, you know, handles this the same way i do. we kind of have a block, a screen from a lot of the silliness that happens about presidential campaigns. >> whablt the spouses? >> what ifgs goi was going to s steve, having been a spouse -- i mean having been a candidate, i think spouses take it much

harder? >> nia? >> especially for spouses, i think we saw that most noticeably on display during 2008 during that south carolina primary when clinton sort of was playing the race card in the wake of barack obama's win. we have seen over these last four years that clinton has been one of the biggest backers, bill clinton, one of the biggest backers of president obama. he gave that speech, that historic speech of the dnc which was very well received. and so, at this point, it all seems to be forgiven. i think one of the things, obviously, that has happened is that hillary clinton has been very much insulated from politics over these past four years, being in that a-political job as secretary of state and we'll see if she can maintain those high ratings. i think it's 70% or so. and it's also good if you look at the obama coalition. she has very high ratings among those different blocks of folks. whether it's latinos, african americans and certainly women. and she has this sort of aura

around here that president obama or candidate obama had in 2008 which is the sense that she's being drafted into this. we'll see if this is something she wants to do. >> but you've got a long way to go. you know, strooeve crawford whod the interview for "60 minutes" raised the question last night. is this an endorsement of secretary clinton. listen to this. >> what's the date of expiration on this endorsement. >> ask that question. you're sitting here together. everybody in town is talking about it already. and this is taking place. >> you know, steve, i've got to tell you. you guys are incorrigible.

i was literally inaugurated four minutes ago. >> i'm out of politics. and i'm forbidden from even hearing these questions. >> i mean, michelle, you probably have to raise the question. but he was only inaugurated a week ago today. they akts they aktsed like he's not the president and has four years to serve. >> it seems a little bit early to write him off as a lame duck. but this is what wo can't do. can't bear to have the presidential season not going on. they're very smooth. there's no way they were going to let on too much. and, you know, you've got to look at it in terms of finding the press a little bit annoying and intrusive is one of the things they both share and always have. >> i going to have to leave it there. thank you both for being here tonight. have a good evening. >> you, too. >> coming up, president obama says something to date that has rush limbaugh thinking he's walter cronkite. and the gun industry is marketing assault weapons to

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president obama is going right after the right wing media. in a new interview, he talks about what stands in the way of getting things done in congress. "one of the biggest factors is going to be how the media shapes debates.

if a republican member of congress is not punished on fox news or rush limbaugh for working with a democrat on a bill of common interest, then you'll see more of them doing it. of course, rush just had to respond. >> the mainstream media has ceased doing what they are constitutionally charged with doing. one of the reasons that fox news and i stand out like sore thumbs here is the rest of the media is gone. the rest of the media is in a tank. the rest of the media was long ago ceased doing their job. talk like this from the president has a chilling effect on free speech. >> this whole purpose is eliminating the opposition. only dictators like hugo chavez do thingings like that. >> i cannot believe that the majority of americans would believe that it's okay not to follow the constitution. we would create law based on the god of the bible and the ten commandn'ts.

it's pretty simple. >> well, first off, nancy pelosi is a ding bat. >> if we were real domestic terrorists, president obama would want to pal around with us. president obama hasn't been to church since he took office? how many sundays, 11 sundays so far. now he's saying we are not a christian nation. so is there a message being sent? >> obama's america, a white kids now get beat up with the black kids cheering right on, right on, right only. radical. whatever you want to call it. >> no longer does the president seek to portray himself as a moderate. he is now an out-the-closet liberal. >> he wants to transform america into his socialist america. >> 2016, that is if obama decides to abdegait. obama might not give up the crown. just like queen elizabeth.

>> now, these are all the examples that the right wing has said down the years about the president. the president is doing what all republicans refuse to do by answering him. he's stepping up to rush and fox. joining me now is joe madison and margie omara. thank you both for joining me tonight. >> thank you, reverend sharpton. joe, let me start with you. this is clearly a calculated move by the president. can he stop some of the right wing vile that is coming he has way? >> well, of course he can. because, again, he has the pulpit of the white house. but, you know, rushl lim burks augh said the reason we stand out like a sor erksz thumb is because of abc. no, the reason they stand out at fox and limbaugh stands out is what limbauh said about women in combat. he said they have a fighting force. that's why they stand out. the reason they stand out is because sarah palin thinks that

the kodiak island is the largest island in north america, forget about hawaii. the listen they stand out is because she thinks north korea was an ally of the united states. and so the president has started to do what a lot of us have done and he understands that the voice of the republican party that he defeated was rush limbaugh and fox news and everybody knows it. >> well, margie, when you look at the fact that they've had such vile stuff to say about the president, but his stepping up is strategically going to create a climate for some moderate republicans to step up and try to not be intimidated by the rush limbaughs of the fox news. >> well, i think the president in some interviews, he's really said there are lots of republicans who want to come to the table, they want to work with me, they want to have common sense ideas and have

bills passed. they want to reach bipartisan consensus. i think what you see is because of the way districts have been gerrymand gerrymandered, you have a lot of republicans not worried about reaching regular swing voters, but just trying to avoid primary challenges. you have some extremists who are actually more worried about even more extremist folks coming to replace them. and i think that's pulled the entire conversation to the right. and when it comes to sarah palin, the sad thing about sarah palin is she could have really given a real voice to republican-leading women. but, instead, she's joined a dysfunction dysfunctional, rhetorical family and all of them have been rejected. >> now, joe, sarah palin is no longer going to be a paid contributor to fox. it was interesting. she came out in an interview and she said on the one hand, we can't gist preach to the choir.

the message of liberty and true hope must be understood by a larger audience, which was a good statement for sarah palin. but then she went onto say voices on the right, like mark levin and rush and writers here at bradbart, and she was talking to the bradbart people, have come out strongly against the politician to wave the white flag before the battle even begins. so she just seems to not be able to help herself, battle, battle, battle further to the extreme right. >> you know, reverend, you stick your foot in your mouth, open moult, mouth, pull out foot, stick the other foot in your mouth. that's basically what you've got there. they did the same thing to mr. 9-9-9, remember? herman cane and he's doing talk

raid you know. they can't help themselves. sarah palin, look, $15, i think they found out she was getting $15 a word over at fox. $15 a word. 111 of those words are amen. >> let me ask you, margie, fox news did respond to what the president said. >> he just wants a media pass. and fox news is challenging the president and his policies and that's what the media is supposed to do. >> he's an emperial president. he's talking about silencing members of the media that he doesn't like. >> it's really bizarre. it's to say there are institutional barriers. do you know what that is? that's a debate on television between people who disagree.

>> i mean name-calling, belit e belittling, saying expressions, margie, that are very much biassed. that's not exactly a debate or exactly just having free-speech political comments. >> yeah, i mean, look. i think the president, when he says institutional barriers, he is not talking about restricting free speech and i have think s it's very clear from all of his remarks and interviews. i think there's room on all sides of the issue. i think there's room for conservative voices and for liberal and progressive voices. i think it's important to look at, really, what voters want. and voters want people to come together on a variety of issues. they don't want fight k, they don't want bickering, they don't want gridlock. >> thanks for joining us. >> thank you. >> we'll be right back with the gun industry marketing firearms

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